Well if you find a better designation then by all means, he can be that. And I hope you appreciate the restraint I'm showing by not bullying you right now.
More something I don't need. Haven't I said before that my reputation isn't the best?
🚫💪! I appreciate the willingness to fight but that's the great thing about being here, it's not necessary.
🤏☁️ doesn't know who I am on sight, because he's a baby, but my courtesy name is a different story. So the favor would just be not using it around him. Didn't I say it was simple?
I am happy to hear it's not necessary because I can probably not actually fight 🤏☁️. Not for a lack of ability to win! I am pretty sure a small child would win that fight. But I do not want to see the face that ☁️ makes at that.
Is that supposed to be simple? What am I supposed to call you, then? And what happens if I mess up? Does he not like you? It sounds like he doesn't even know you, so that makes it very weird.
Yes that's the worst outcome, everyone loses, Lan Zhan makes a face. 👎👎👎👎
Well he knows me now, is the thing. And that's good! 👍🤏☁️! As the perfectly nondescript Wei-qianbei we get along just fine. 🚫☁️☹️ And if you mess up then I don't owe you a favor anymore.
If those are the only stakes, then why are you asking in the first place? I mean, I can use another name or something if that's what you want, I am not arguing that part. Consider it basically already done! But I don't understand why, and you're being weird about it.
You have definitely not said! All you've said is that some people think you're scary! You never said why they think that. Is it a 👻 thing? Because you're not actually a 👻, so that would be very silly.
Those are the only stakes for you. The ☁️ stakes are a little higher. And I'm not being weird! It's not even a little bit weird. We are setting a good example for an impressionable little ☁️ disciple, by not drawing attention to Wei Wuxian. Like wasps.
Okay, barring whatever wasps have to do with this... How high are the 👻 stakes? Those are the ones that I care about.
I thought people from your world liked 👻??? Or at least didn't care too much about them existing? So 👻 *are* bad, and people didn't like you attaching them to things? It still doesn't really make sense... 😕
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...I don't know! It's very hard for this 👻 to explain! I'm not sure how much sense it even makes to separate all the stakes. If it were someone from my generation, let them fight me if it really matters that much, why should I care about my reputation here? But this boy is Lan Zhan's disciple, so the stakes are all a mess. You have to be patient, caring about my reputation is a new experience for me and it's not natural.
It makes perfect sense, I just apparently didn't tell you 👻 are bad, because I didn't know I needed to. People aren't exactly fine with 👻, but that doesn't stop them from happening, obviously. The ideal would be to liberate or suppress 👻, and not anything else, and definitely not be the reason there is a 👻 in the first place.
So... The 👻 stakes are that 🤏☁️ might want to fight? And that would be tangled up with ☁️ stakes because ☁️ would make unfortunate faces? And also I guess 👻 stakes are having to fight too, but I am pretty sure you could just hold 🤏☁️ at arm's length and let him flail. (Would ☁️ still make faces at that?)
I mean, I guess people aren't usually fine with 👻 or necromancy! But those people are silly, and I thought yours might be better. 😕 Is making 👻 actually unhealthy for you, or is that just more silliness? ...Should I not mention making 👻 around 🤏☁️ either? Or is it just your name?
He's a nice boy, he probably won't go straight for fighting and I'm not going to let him flail! Lan Zhan would not think it was as funny as we would and also we should not think that's funny, this sand cultivator is so mean! First he's too tall to be 🤏☁️ and now this! The stakes are he's a fine upstanding 🤏☁️ who rightfully looks up to Hanguang-jun and now possibly me a little bit.
People aren't fine with it, but particular people being fine with it has the potential to be even worse. Is it better for people to fear something you have or covet it? I'm not even convinced those are different things. Ghosts are more sensible than people.
Who said it was unhealthy? I think I know, and that's a very old debate. But maybe don't lean on mentioning it? If the 🤏☁️ got concerned instead of righteous I really would go live in the woods.
If he looks up to you, then why would he care? Is it not as easy as telling him that 👻 are fine? He's not going to be a good upstanding 🤏☁️ in my book if he picks a fight with you. 👿
Hmm. Coveting is worse, I think. I'd rather people be afraid of something than want to use it because someone else has it. Like, for instance, all kinds of magic are okay! Magic is just magic is just magic. Some people are afraid of certain kinds of magic because they don't understand it and want to avoid it. But I think it's worse to not understand it but want to use it anyway. That always turns out badly.
I am not pointing fingers about who said what! I'm not a snitch. But I'm sure if anything *was* said, it was probably a while ago and also out of worry and not being a jerk, so it's fine, right? But I can avoid mentioning 👻, too.
What do I call you instead? Can I still use Wei, or should I avoid that too? Wei-xuesheng. Wei-👻. Wait no, Wei was already 👻... 👻-👻. Perfect.
Well he probably doesn't look up to me enough for that, and you definitely run the risk of ☁️😟 if you tell a Lan disciple 👻 are fine. Picking a fight with me is unfortunately a very upstanding ☁️ thing to do, because they did not consult the sand cultivator when they wrote the book.
Very insightful, and I agree. Though I'm still thinking about if understanding makes a difference.
You aren't a snitch, you're an informant. At least in the rare times it's in my favor and not the other way around. But you might be right.
👻-👻 is close to bullying, but in this case probably deserved. But Wei-xuesheng would be very funny.
Counterpoint! He should run the risk of ☁️😟 for picking a fight! Though I guess if there's ☁️😟, then no one is winning. But it makes more sense for it to be directed at him and not you! He is just a 🤏☁️, and you are a courageous and righteous 👻. It is not even a contest.
Are you talking about people who understand something and also want to use it? In that case, if they understood it, wouldn't they be able to do it themselves? You can't really covet something that you can just do yourself... Though I guess you could covet someone being able to do it better? I don't know.
👻-👻 is a perfect name for you, you can't even complain. (You can, but I won't allow it.) But what does 🤏☁️ call you if not your name?
The ☁️😟 would be for everyone 😔 But he IS just a 🤏☁️ so it is our job not to fight him, show him wasps or ghosts outside of approved educational contexts, or fall on him. That is what it means to be courageous and righteous, even if he disagrees, unless it's about the ghosts.
Well you can understand a thing in theory but not practice, or you're coveting a physical thing, or someone thinks they understand but they really don't. So the understanding part seems hard to pin down.
I am complaining whether you allow it or not! Such is the way of the 👻-👻. 🤏☁️ was told to call me Wei-qianbei, by Lan Zhan, which is how you know this isn't any kind of subterfuge or lying at all.
...Did you already show 🤏☁️ wasps and fall on him? Because those are very specific things to say that a courageous and righteous 👻 shouldn't do. If so, I approve. 👍👻 It sounds like he could use a little falling on. 😔 (I am not going to wish wasps on him because no one deserves wasps.)
Understanding a thing in theory is basically already understanding it, though. I mean, what is theory except understanding? ✅ Understanding but not actually understanding isn't understanding at all, so that's still bad. ❌ And you can understand or misunderstand objects in the same way you can with abilities, so I don't see the difference there! Then again, I suppose there's just people who understand exactly what they're doing and what they're doing is bad, so maybe you're right that understanding doesn't matter... 😕
Was I supposed to suspect subterfuge or lying? Would a courageous and righteous 👻 lie to me??? I know what a 👻 *would* do is tell me what "qianbei" is.
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Date: 2021-08-20 03:17 am (UTC)From:What is your very simple request supposed to be? Do I get to know that much? Do I have to guess?
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Date: 2021-08-20 03:39 am (UTC)From:You don't have to guess, that's how simple it is. You know Lan Sizhui? 🤏☁️? 🚫⚔️?
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Date: 2021-08-20 04:08 am (UTC)From:🤏☁️! Yes, I've seen him. In ☁️ room sometimes. I feel like I should take issue with him being 🤏☁️ when I still have to look up at him. It's awful.
Do you need something from him?
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Date: 2021-08-20 04:23 am (UTC)From:Well if you find a better designation then by all means, he can be that. And I hope you appreciate the restraint I'm showing by not bullying you right now.
More something I don't need. Haven't I said before that my reputation isn't the best?
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Date: 2021-08-20 04:37 am (UTC)From:Hmm. You mentioned that. I think I also told you that it sounds fake and that I would fight anyone that says otherwise! 💪
What does that have to do with 🤏☁️?
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Date: 2021-08-20 05:08 am (UTC)From:🤏☁️ doesn't know who I am on sight, because he's a baby, but my courtesy name is a different story. So the favor would just be not using it around him. Didn't I say it was simple?
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Date: 2021-08-20 05:20 am (UTC)From:Is that supposed to be simple? What am I supposed to call you, then? And what happens if I mess up? Does he not like you? It sounds like he doesn't even know you, so that makes it very weird.
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Date: 2021-08-20 05:55 am (UTC)From:Well he knows me now, is the thing. And that's good! 👍🤏☁️! As the perfectly nondescript Wei-qianbei we get along just fine. 🚫☁️☹️ And if you mess up then I don't owe you a favor anymore.
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Date: 2021-08-20 06:12 am (UTC)From:What sort of bad reputation do you have? Why is your name such a big deal?
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Date: 2021-08-20 07:32 pm (UTC)From:👻👻👻👻! I definitely already said. And my name is a big deal because it's associated with me.
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Date: 2021-08-20 08:15 pm (UTC)From:You have definitely not said! All you've said is that some people think you're scary! You never said why they think that. Is it a 👻 thing? Because you're not actually a 👻, so that would be very silly.
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Date: 2021-08-20 08:58 pm (UTC)From:Well I thought it was heavily implied.
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Date: 2021-08-20 10:19 pm (UTC)From:I thought people from your world liked 👻??? Or at least didn't care too much about them existing? So 👻 *are* bad, and people didn't like you attaching them to things? It still doesn't really make sense... 😕
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Date: 2021-08-20 11:20 pm (UTC)From:...I don't know! It's very hard for this 👻 to explain! I'm not sure how much sense it even makes to separate all the stakes. If it were someone from my generation, let them fight me if it really matters that much, why should I care about my reputation here? But this boy is Lan Zhan's disciple, so the stakes are all a mess. You have to be patient, caring about my reputation is a new experience for me and it's not natural.
It makes perfect sense, I just apparently didn't tell you 👻 are bad, because I didn't know I needed to. People aren't exactly fine with 👻, but that doesn't stop them from happening, obviously. The ideal would be to liberate or suppress 👻, and not anything else, and definitely not be the reason there is a 👻 in the first place.
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Date: 2021-08-21 12:48 am (UTC)From:I mean, I guess people aren't usually fine with 👻 or necromancy! But those people are silly, and I thought yours might be better. 😕 Is making 👻 actually unhealthy for you, or is that just more silliness? ...Should I not mention making 👻 around 🤏☁️ either? Or is it just your name?
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Date: 2021-08-21 01:58 am (UTC)From:People aren't fine with it, but particular people being fine with it has the potential to be even worse. Is it better for people to fear something you have or covet it? I'm not even convinced those are different things. Ghosts are more sensible than people.
Who said it was unhealthy? I think I know, and that's a very old debate. But maybe don't lean on mentioning it? If the 🤏☁️ got concerned instead of righteous I really would go live in the woods.
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Date: 2021-08-21 02:25 am (UTC)From:Hmm. Coveting is worse, I think. I'd rather people be afraid of something than want to use it because someone else has it. Like, for instance, all kinds of magic are okay! Magic is just magic is just magic. Some people are afraid of certain kinds of magic because they don't understand it and want to avoid it. But I think it's worse to not understand it but want to use it anyway. That always turns out badly.
I am not pointing fingers about who said what! I'm not a snitch. But I'm sure if anything *was* said, it was probably a while ago and also out of worry and not being a jerk, so it's fine, right? But I can avoid mentioning 👻, too.
What do I call you instead? Can I still use Wei, or should I avoid that too? Wei-xuesheng. Wei-👻. Wait no, Wei was already 👻... 👻-👻. Perfect.
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Date: 2021-08-22 10:59 pm (UTC)From:Very insightful, and I agree. Though I'm still thinking about if understanding makes a difference.
You aren't a snitch, you're an informant. At least in the rare times it's in my favor and not the other way around. But you might be right.
👻-👻 is close to bullying, but in this case probably deserved. But Wei-xuesheng would be very funny.
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Date: 2021-08-23 12:22 am (UTC)From:Are you talking about people who understand something and also want to use it? In that case, if they understood it, wouldn't they be able to do it themselves? You can't really covet something that you can just do yourself... Though I guess you could covet someone being able to do it better? I don't know.
👻-👻 is a perfect name for you, you can't even complain. (You can, but I won't allow it.) But what does 🤏☁️ call you if not your name?
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Date: 2021-08-23 03:04 am (UTC)From:Well you can understand a thing in theory but not practice, or you're coveting a physical thing, or someone thinks they understand but they really don't. So the understanding part seems hard to pin down.
I am complaining whether you allow it or not! Such is the way of the 👻-👻. 🤏☁️ was told to call me Wei-qianbei, by Lan Zhan, which is how you know this isn't any kind of subterfuge or lying at all.
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Date: 2021-08-23 03:48 am (UTC)From:Understanding a thing in theory is basically already understanding it, though. I mean, what is theory except understanding? ✅ Understanding but not actually understanding isn't understanding at all, so that's still bad. ❌ And you can understand or misunderstand objects in the same way you can with abilities, so I don't see the difference there! Then again, I suppose there's just people who understand exactly what they're doing and what they're doing is bad, so maybe you're right that understanding doesn't matter... 😕
Was I supposed to suspect subterfuge or lying? Would a courageous and righteous 👻 lie to me??? I know what a 👻 *would* do is tell me what "qianbei" is.
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