I tried to! I thought up so many options for him, and some of them were even nice! I tried to think up things that he might like... Like the umbrella! It's not a fan, but it's a fancy accessory, so that was at least close. Or the poetry stuff! He talked about that a lot, and the one he sent me was kinda neat. But he just kept saying that he would be 🐦 because you said so, even when I did all that work to think up other things.
Being nice to him wasn't working. What else was I supposed to do?
He already gave up and would have taken one of the other options, pushing further than that wasn't necessary. Bullying is fun when people fight back, but not respecting a surrender is very harsh.
Being nice to him was working really well, I thought, up until then. Explaining your reasoning could also have worked, he's more reasonable than a lot of people. I haven't asked you not to use my name around him, have I?
I thought that was just because he already knew you. It wouldn't make any sense not to use your name around him if he already recognizes you. You can't make it sound like he's reasonable just like that.
... Though I guess it's weird that he's not tried to fight you, when you said a lot of people would. But that could also just be that he doesn't like to fight, like you said! Still not proof of anything.
And anyway, I don't think being nice was working well at all. It was just giving him the impression that he could do whatever he wanted because I wasn't doing anything about it. He was being stubborn and rude; and I didn't like the nice options that I'd picked for him anymore when he was being like that. I warned him that if he didn't pick something else, then he'd be 😱 forever! It's not my fault if he thought I was lying about that. Am I supposed to make what I said a lie just to be nice to him, too? Is it being harsh to keep my word?
Are you going to tell him to stop? Or that there's already important things for that one? Or does 🐦🤝 not matter anymore? Why can't he pick something that we haven't already been using? Isn't that being rude, expecting everything to change for him?
Why does anyone have to? I don't understand. I didn't think you liked that type of nobility.
🐦🤝 matters!! I don't see why it would stop mattering if he uses that picture. And I don't think he's expecting everything to change for him! I don't think he knows what to expect at all, that's part of why this seems so harsh. I thought you would be more willing to be generous to someone who doesn't want to fight me or even avoid me.
I don't! I don't like that kind of nobility, and it's not like that! It's not about nobility at all!
Why don't I get to tell him to stop?? Why does he get to do whatever, and I just have to let him? I don't want that. I don't want him to have 🐦. It's ours. And you want me to just give it to him.
If I knew he was going to mess everything up, I wouldn't have told you he was here at all.
You don't have to do anything! But you're choosing to do some things. I don't want you to just give something of ours, I wanted to share! Just a little bit. For my sake. I thought it would paint him in a better light.
This is what I mean! You wouldn't want me to know a friend was here? What if I had been like that to you in the beginning? Instead of trying to help you and Lan Zhan be friends? You don't have to, but I thought it would be nice.
I don't want to share with him. I don't know him, and he's weird. He's rude and he wouldn't listen to me and he kept saying that you said he could do things, like that meant that I had to listen to him. Then he runs to tell you that I'm being mean, when he was being awful first.
It's different with ☁️! You can't compare them. ☁️ was nice to me. He saved my life, and he teaches me things, and he tells me that my questions are never wrong and I can ask as many as I want. He's a million times better in every single way, and I like being friends with him. It's easy and fun, and no one is telling anyone else that they're being cruel unless it's funny.
I'm not sure he's been awful since the first time, which was definitely awful but was also a mistake. And I think both of you need to stop acting like I can or can't tell anyone what they can do. I know you don't know him, and I know I can't make you, and I don't even want to. But he doesn't even know anyone else here besides me and Hanguang-jun, who else is he going to tell if something upsets him? And calling him names is definitely upsetting.
I know it's not the same at all, but hasn't he been nice too, after the initial mistake? He could teach you things, and wouldn't think your questions are wrong. But even if you don't get anything for it, and even if you're not nice, I wouldn't expect you to upset him on purpose like it's a game. It's not them I'm comparing.
I didn't have anyone to tattle to when I got here! Who am I supposed to run and tell if I'm upset?? You just think I'm being cruel to him for fun or for pettiness or something stupid like that, so maybe I just should be! I can be a lot worse than using a stupid picture or making him dislike a few birds.
I don't want him to teach me anything. I want him to go away. It's not a game, and I'm not playing.
Me! Or Lan Zhan! Why are you acting like it would be the same as when you first got here, now? Why not tell me why you're upset and see if it's the same.
And what am I meant to think you're being, if not cruel? Why be worse? I didn't think I was asking for that much.
You think I'm being cruel. And if Lan Wangji thought I was being unreasonable too, I don't think I could stand it. He doesn't even like your friend, so if he said it, it would have to be true.
[After a lot of backspacing and second guessing, a second message comes:]
You have a friend from your plane now. One who will use pictures and stuff, and you can make jokes with. It's different from Lan Wangji, but it's not different from me. Wouldn't people like things that are more familiar?
I tried being nice, even though it's weird and I don't know him. But he started saying that you agree with him, and that you said I would bully him. And then he went and told you I was being mean.
I don't know what to do. Do you really think I'm being cruel? I don't want that. I don't want you to like him better than me. I can try again. I didn't mean it when I said I could be worse.
[What is she saying?? That he's biased? TOO biased, and in favour of Nie Huaisang? Parts of this are absurd, and parts are uncomfortably accurate, and parts he's no longer sure of at all. It will take him some time, a few circlings maybe, to figure things out.]
It is different from you, so much different! Is that what this is about? You felt like I liked my old friend better, that I took his side? Klaudia there aren't any sides! Or there don't have to be. And he's not even really more familiar, I don't remember the last time I saw him before I died...He wasn't there, and isn't scared of me now, and I thought that was pretty lucky, you know? The odds aren't good, for my generation. But that doesn't mean you have to treat him a particular way, it's true.
[But none of that really matters, if he's wronged his present friend in the process. It's just easy to forget that she's not as brash as the face she puts on.]
I don't know if you were being cruel deliberately or not, but it's not up to me either way, only you would know that. But maybe you should think about it awhile, before telling me. Or not telling me, if you want.
You don't have to worry about me liking him better than you, it's not a competition. You're my friend, you would stand up for me against dogs or small Lans or probably anything! (Don't do it though) Do you think I can find that just anywhere? You're also smart and very respectable even by Lan Zhan's standards and usually only mean when it's very funny. Clearly you are possessed currently to even be thinking like this, but it's fine because you're friends with the most powerful ghost cultivator, for life and also the next life, as a bird. Do you want an essay too? Or are you convinced?
[Klaudia spends a long time reading over these messages. In part because she keeps having to push her glasses out of the way to rub the tears out of her eyes, and in part because she's trying to sort through what she should say back. Her head hurts, and her eyes hurt, and her chest hurts. She thought for sure that he was going to tell her that of course his old friend meant more, and the first few bits of his message had her heart twisted in a vise, waiting for that shoe to drop. But the second half chokes her up in a different way, filling her chest so full that it's painful--but in a way that lifts her, rather than crushes her.]
Do you really mean that? You're not mad? Even after I told your old friend that I'd use my magic to make him hate birds? Is that the possession too? Maybe you're the possessed one. You're even offering to write an essay and not complaining even a little bit about it.
[The relief Wei Wuxian feels is likewise overwhelming, and disorienting in its variety. Klaudia isn't making any more threats of real bullying, seems like a known and treasured quantity again, more alike than not in the willingness to make jokes around pain without trying to cause more.]
I wouldn't just say it if I didn't mean it, would I? I'm not mad, I was...surprised, a little. We may not even be possessed by evil spirits at all.
[He doesn't want to push his luck, especially after he gave her the space to avoid it, but doesn't it deserve acknowledgement if he wants it to stick?]
If it was possession, it was a pretty mean ghost, and I'm glad there won't be any evil bird magic to contend with.
[The confirmation that she's not going to harass Nie Huaisang with bird illusions comes easily enough. It was a spur of the moment threat--one that she certainly could do, but she had no appetite for it now. The rest of it... That's harder to address, but the confirmation that he means it all and he's not mad; that boosts her willingness to keep talking. To try and see things from her dear friend's perspective.]
The ghost was a little mean maybe... Maybe I got possessed when your friend implied that I didn't trust you. That was probably a curse of some kind, right? A mean one.
...What should I do? If that happens again? I don't want to let him say things like that. I *would* fight dogs and small Lans and anything else, so saying that I don't trust you is wrong and not funny at all. I don't want him to think otherwise. Or you.
You don't have to worry that I'll think otherwise regardless of any curses from Nie Huaisang. And I do see that it was a joke in...bad taste, considering a lot of things. But I think he meant it the opposite of how it sounded. Like when I say something about Hanguang-jun to prove a point. The joke was not trusting me, not the idea that somebody would in the first place. I think he knows I respect you a lot, and assumed it was the same for you, and made a joke that referenced that, since you don't trust him yourself.
But, if it happens again, instead of getting cursed about it, you could just tell him to not do that. If you can tell him what pictures he can and can't use, that should be easy. Or if you really don't like something he says about me, you could talk to me about it, still without curses. Though I don't think it will happen again.
If it was a joke, then we're in agreement that it was a bad one. ["If he stuck his head in a book, maybe he'd know better ones"... is what she types, and then backspaces.] But it didn't feel like a joke, it felt like a threat.
It's easy to tell him to not do that, but I don't think he'll listen. He didn't listen about the bird picture. I don't see why he'll listen about anything else. I'll try it anyway, but I don't want to have to run to you every time he does something rude. That's being just as bad as him then, isn't it?
...Are you sure I can't curse him a little bit if he's rude again? Or tells another bad joke? I can make a snake instead of a bird. You said he already doesn't like those, so that's not being very mean, right? Maybe a small one? No fangs. Technically harmless.
I don't think he would threaten anybody! But if he's actually rude, you can curse him a little bit I guess. But try not to curse him for jokes he doesn't know are bad, at least until he learns more. I think he didn't know the picture was such a big deal, but will listen, especially now. I think this is all just a whole lot of worry about Nie Huaisang that isn't necessary! And it's not running to me in a bad way if there's a real reason. 🤏🐍 🚫🔪🐦
🤏🐍! 😈🤝👻 (But only if he's rude. Or if it's really funny and not mean.)
How can you be so sure that the worry isn't necessary? I'm not saying it is! But you keep saying that like it's obvious, and I don't see it. Am I missing something? Is it stuff from your plane? Or is it like ☁️ and I'm just not good at spotting it yet?
[This text is clearly the hard-won result of a mental ordeal.]
I guess it's a combination of things. He wasn't a clan leader when I knew him, and didn't really want to be. I think he barely wanted to be a cultivator at all, definitely not any of the parts that require a sword. When we were trapped and thought we would have to fight through a wall of fierce corpses that weren't really corpses, he got so scared Lan Zhan had to silence him (funny, not too mean). I guess it's hard for me to think he might be any different from then, even if I didn't see him much even when I was still alive and kind of forgot about him. It isn't like ☁️, but he hasn't seen me at my worst. Surely heard about it though, and still isn't really scared, even though he's scared of a lot of things. Who knows why he isn't this time? I don't really need to.
[Oh. A realization dawns on Klaudia that hadn't been in her thoughts before. Maybe it was weird for Nie Huaisang to be so attached and not afraid of her friend, but it was also... kind? She might not know the particulars of their friendship, but she can understand wanting to be treated like a normal person, even knowing that others should be afraid. It's a relief to have something like that... And she suddenly feels very small and foolish for being so vehemently against him being around.]
...I didn't think about how nice he was being to a 👻. I still don't think anyone should be afraid of you. ...But he's being normal about it, so I'll be nicer to him.
[She lets that sit for a moment before adding:]
I'm sorry I tried to scare your friend away. I was being mean, and I shouldn't have been.
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Date: 2021-12-20 06:30 am (UTC)From:Being nice to him wasn't working. What else was I supposed to do?
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Date: 2021-12-20 07:00 am (UTC)From:Being nice to him was working really well, I thought, up until then. Explaining your reasoning could also have worked, he's more reasonable than a lot of people. I haven't asked you not to use my name around him, have I?
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Date: 2021-12-20 07:25 am (UTC)From:... Though I guess it's weird that he's not tried to fight you, when you said a lot of people would. But that could also just be that he doesn't like to fight, like you said! Still not proof of anything.
And anyway, I don't think being nice was working well at all. It was just giving him the impression that he could do whatever he wanted because I wasn't doing anything about it. He was being stubborn and rude; and I didn't like the nice options that I'd picked for him anymore when he was being like that. I warned him that if he didn't pick something else, then he'd be 😱 forever! It's not my fault if he thought I was lying about that. Am I supposed to make what I said a lie just to be nice to him, too? Is it being harsh to keep my word?
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Date: 2021-12-20 04:21 pm (UTC)From:Is it rude to want to pick something for yourself? Do you really want to be in charge of 'doing anything about it'? Why would you want that?
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Date: 2021-12-20 04:33 pm (UTC)From:Are you going to tell him to stop? Or that there's already important things for that one? Or does 🐦🤝 not matter anymore? Why can't he pick something that we haven't already been using? Isn't that being rude, expecting everything to change for him?
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Date: 2021-12-20 05:21 pm (UTC)From:🐦🤝 matters!! I don't see why it would stop mattering if he uses that picture. And I don't think he's expecting everything to change for him! I don't think he knows what to expect at all, that's part of why this seems so harsh. I thought you would be more willing to be generous to someone who doesn't want to fight me or even avoid me.
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Date: 2021-12-20 05:41 pm (UTC)From:Why don't I get to tell him to stop?? Why does he get to do whatever, and I just have to let him? I don't want that. I don't want him to have 🐦. It's ours. And you want me to just give it to him.
If I knew he was going to mess everything up, I wouldn't have told you he was here at all.
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Date: 2021-12-20 06:05 pm (UTC)From:You don't have to do anything! But you're choosing to do some things. I don't want you to just give something of ours, I wanted to share! Just a little bit. For my sake. I thought it would paint him in a better light.
This is what I mean! You wouldn't want me to know a friend was here? What if I had been like that to you in the beginning? Instead of trying to help you and Lan Zhan be friends? You don't have to, but I thought it would be nice.
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Date: 2021-12-20 06:34 pm (UTC)From:It's different with ☁️! You can't compare them. ☁️ was nice to me. He saved my life, and he teaches me things, and he tells me that my questions are never wrong and I can ask as many as I want. He's a million times better in every single way, and I like being friends with him. It's easy and fun, and no one is telling anyone else that they're being cruel unless it's funny.
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Date: 2021-12-20 07:38 pm (UTC)From:I know it's not the same at all, but hasn't he been nice too, after the initial mistake? He could teach you things, and wouldn't think your questions are wrong. But even if you don't get anything for it, and even if you're not nice, I wouldn't expect you to upset him on purpose like it's a game. It's not them I'm comparing.
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Date: 2021-12-20 08:11 pm (UTC)From:I don't want him to teach me anything. I want him to go away. It's not a game, and I'm not playing.
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Date: 2021-12-20 08:35 pm (UTC)From:And what am I meant to think you're being, if not cruel? Why be worse? I didn't think I was asking for that much.
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Date: 2021-12-20 09:22 pm (UTC)From:You have a friend from your plane now. One who will use pictures and stuff, and you can make jokes with. It's different from Lan Wangji, but it's not different from me. Wouldn't people like things that are more familiar?
I tried being nice, even though it's weird and I don't know him. But he started saying that you agree with him, and that you said I would bully him. And then he went and told you I was being mean.
I don't know what to do. Do you really think I'm being cruel? I don't want that. I don't want you to like him better than me. I can try again. I didn't mean it when I said I could be worse.
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Date: 2021-12-20 09:44 pm (UTC)From:It is different from you, so much different! Is that what this is about? You felt like I liked my old friend better, that I took his side? Klaudia there aren't any sides! Or there don't have to be. And he's not even really more familiar, I don't remember the last time I saw him before I died...He wasn't there, and isn't scared of me now, and I thought that was pretty lucky, you know? The odds aren't good, for my generation. But that doesn't mean you have to treat him a particular way, it's true.
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Date: 2021-12-20 10:11 pm (UTC)From:I don't know if you were being cruel deliberately or not, but it's not up to me either way, only you would know that. But maybe you should think about it awhile, before telling me. Or not telling me, if you want.
You don't have to worry about me liking him better than you, it's not a competition. You're my friend, you would stand up for me against dogs or small Lans or probably anything! (Don't do it though) Do you think I can find that just anywhere? You're also smart and very respectable even by Lan Zhan's standards and usually only mean when it's very funny. Clearly you are possessed currently to even be thinking like this, but it's fine because you're friends with the most powerful ghost cultivator, for life and also the next life, as a bird. Do you want an essay too? Or are you convinced?
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Date: 2021-12-21 12:08 am (UTC)From:Do you really mean that? You're not mad? Even after I told your old friend that I'd use my magic to make him hate birds? Is that the possession too? Maybe you're the possessed one. You're even offering to write an essay and not complaining even a little bit about it.
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Date: 2021-12-21 12:34 am (UTC)From:I wouldn't just say it if I didn't mean it, would I? I'm not mad, I was...surprised, a little. We may not even be possessed by evil spirits at all.
[He doesn't want to push his luck, especially after he gave her the space to avoid it, but doesn't it deserve acknowledgement if he wants it to stick?]
If it was possession, it was a pretty mean ghost, and I'm glad there won't be any evil bird magic to contend with.
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Date: 2021-12-21 01:18 am (UTC)From:[The confirmation that she's not going to harass Nie Huaisang with bird illusions comes easily enough. It was a spur of the moment threat--one that she certainly could do, but she had no appetite for it now. The rest of it... That's harder to address, but the confirmation that he means it all and he's not mad; that boosts her willingness to keep talking. To try and see things from her dear friend's perspective.]
The ghost was a little mean maybe... Maybe I got possessed when your friend implied that I didn't trust you. That was probably a curse of some kind, right? A mean one.
...What should I do? If that happens again? I don't want to let him say things like that. I *would* fight dogs and small Lans and anything else, so saying that I don't trust you is wrong and not funny at all. I don't want him to think otherwise. Or you.
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Date: 2021-12-21 04:01 am (UTC)From:But, if it happens again, instead of getting cursed about it, you could just tell him to not do that. If you can tell him what pictures he can and can't use, that should be easy. Or if you really don't like something he says about me, you could talk to me about it, still without curses. Though I don't think it will happen again.
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Date: 2021-12-21 06:18 am (UTC)From:["If he stuck his head in a book, maybe he'd know better ones"... is what she types, and then backspaces.] But it didn't feel like a joke, it felt like a threat.
It's easy to tell him to not do that, but I don't think he'll listen. He didn't listen about the bird picture. I don't see why he'll listen about anything else. I'll try it anyway, but I don't want to have to run to you every time he does something rude. That's being just as bad as him then, isn't it?
...Are you sure I can't curse him a little bit if he's rude again? Or tells another bad joke? I can make a snake instead of a bird. You said he already doesn't like those, so that's not being very mean, right? Maybe a small one? No fangs. Technically harmless.
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Date: 2021-12-21 04:17 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2021-12-21 09:59 pm (UTC)From:How can you be so sure that the worry isn't necessary? I'm not saying it is! But you keep saying that like it's obvious, and I don't see it. Am I missing something? Is it stuff from your plane? Or is it like ☁️ and I'm just not good at spotting it yet?
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Date: 2021-12-22 07:15 pm (UTC)From:I guess it's a combination of things. He wasn't a clan leader when I knew him, and didn't really want to be. I think he barely wanted to be a cultivator at all, definitely not any of the parts that require a sword. When we were trapped and thought we would have to fight through a wall of fierce corpses that weren't really corpses, he got so scared Lan Zhan had to silence him (funny, not too mean). I guess it's hard for me to think he might be any different from then, even if I didn't see him much even when I was still alive and kind of forgot about him. It isn't like ☁️, but he hasn't seen me at my worst. Surely heard about it though, and still isn't really scared, even though he's scared of a lot of things. Who knows why he isn't this time? I don't really need to.
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Date: 2021-12-22 07:50 pm (UTC)From:...I didn't think about how nice he was being to a 👻. I still don't think anyone should be afraid of you. ...But he's being normal about it, so I'll be nicer to him.
[She lets that sit for a moment before adding:]
I'm sorry I tried to scare your friend away. I was being mean, and I shouldn't have been.
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